lindsmuse
Jr. Member
Thanked: 2
 Offline
Location: Melkbosstrand, Cape Town
Posts: 202 Referrals: 0
|
 |
« on: November 07, 2009, 11:15:43 am » |
|
It had a vegetarian restaurant upstairs and downstairs was this tiny little room with a couple of wooden tables and chairs. I was fortunate on my first night there to probly see the last of what they called 'the folk revival' it had such a vibe that place. That night I saw Edi Nederlander, Paul Clingman and a band called Attic - and I had never SEEN acoustic music like that in my life! It was awesome. And I was hooked. I'm curious to know whether anybody else experienced the 'SA folk revival' - how it was in Cape Town, other towns, cities, and whether there is anything similar to that around today ... Nice venue in OBs - ' Touch of Madness' - Thursday night is Irish music night apparently - was there about 3 months back. People who play Irish music just rock up there and start jamming. Cause Irish music has so many standards. That was also amazing ...
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup.
Ludwig van Beethoven
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2009, 03:55:29 pm » |
|
It had a vegetarian restaurant upstairs and downstairs was this tiny little room with a couple of wooden tables and chairs. I was fortunate on my first night there to probly see the last of what they called 'the folk revival' it had such a vibe that place. That night I saw Edi Nederlander, Paul Clingman and a band called Attic - and I had never SEEN acoustic music like that in my life! It was awesome. And I was hooked. I'm curious to know whether anybody else experienced the 'SA folk revival' - how it was in Cape Town, other towns, cities, and whether there is anything similar to that around today ... Nice venue in OBs - ' Touch of Madness' - Thursday night is Irish music night apparently - was there about 3 months back. People who play Irish music just rock up there and start jamming. Cause Irish music has so many standards. That was also amazing ...
Where was this? I can think of an old folk club down the arse end of Hillbrow, but this may not be the same place. And what era are you talking about? (Please note, I am NOT asking a lady her age - I'm sure you were just out of diapers and your Dad took you to this wondrous venue). There was a big folk revival going on in Durban in the early 70s. The Kitchen brothers, Brian Finch, Yay Lesson etc etc. Probably Fiona Tozer too. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
lindsmuse
Jr. Member
Thanked: 2
Offline
Location: Melkbosstrand, Cape Town
Posts: 202 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2009, 05:51:34 pm » |
|
It was about 1974-ish. And I think it was actually in Braamfontein, near a reall drinking dive called the King Edward or something. Yes - the Kitchen brothers probly played there - it was part of that whole thing. It's quite sad that it never received the hype it deserved - the 'folk revival' that is. Probly cause some of it was partly political and that was a big no-no at that time. And just pre-TV. There was talent there that SA would probly have really been proud of. Those musos have come and gone - and they were total originals - excellent musicians. If they'd been around today they would've made a big splash... Yip my age is a mystery - even to me!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup.
Ludwig van Beethoven
|
|
|
msch997
Newbie
Thanked: 1
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 39 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2009, 12:16:35 pm » |
|
I came to JHb in 1977 <was from PE originally> to study at Wits. I joined the Wits folk club and discovered Paul Clingman, Edi Nederlander, John Oakaly-Smith amongst others from the people who were also members there, I also remember that name "mangles" so possibly I frequented it a few times or heard about it. But what I did do was get to see Edi Nederlander live a few times <she had quite a few dedicated disciples in the Wits folk club>, as an acoustic player and a song writer to me she was the pick of what was basket of jewels at that time. Incredible musician nothing she recorded though did justice to her true ability that came through in her live performances <I think she made two albums>.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2009, 01:28:35 pm » |
|
I came to JHb in 1977 <was from PE originally> to study at Wits. I joined the Wits folk club and discovered Paul Clingman, Edi Nederlander, John Oakaly-Smith amongst others from the people who were also members there, I also remember that name "mangles" so possibly I frequented it a few times or heard about it.
Mangles and the infamous "Dev" (the bar in the basement of the Devonshire hotel) are like the 60s - if you remember it you weren't really there. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 01:30:37 pm » |
|
Paul Clingman is a marvellous player. Edi Niederlander is also a very talented musician. She's mostly teaching now - and teaching on line with virtual one-on-one sessions. That's quite interesting.
Another good muso from those days is Colin Shapiro. He popped up at TJs a few months ago. Very good player still.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
lindsmuse
Jr. Member
Thanked: 2
Offline
Location: Melkbosstrand, Cape Town
Posts: 202 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2009, 02:32:58 pm » |
|
Mangles and the infamous "Dev" (the bar in the basement of the Devonshire hotel) are like the 60s - if you remember it you weren't really there. Ya - the Dev that was it - the drinking hole!!! Colin - he was in that band Attic I mentioned - him Alan Jeffries and Virgil Ellis. We were all buddies back then. It was such a lovely combo ... Colin now writes music scores for doccies and movies - or at least he was, last I heard. And before Mangles there was the Troubadour - I'm remembering now - Virgils folks Beryl, Aubrey and Mel Miller and lots of others.... And Mandeville ...anyway. Pity it wasn all captured on film |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup.
Ludwig van Beethoven
|
|
|
msch997
Newbie
Thanked: 1
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 39 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 03:58:59 pm » |
|
What ever happened to Virgil Ellis the first time I ever heard surfing with the Aliens by Satriani it was Virgil playing it in some bar down Rocky Street. He could wield an axe with amazing skill.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 04:05:25 pm » |
|
Mangles and the infamous "Dev" (the bar in the basement of the Devonshire hotel) are like the 60s - if you remember it you weren't really there. Ya - the Dev that was it - the drinking hole!!! Colin - he was in that band Attic I mentioned - him Alan Jeffries and Virgil Ellis. We were all buddies back then. It was such a lovely combo ... Colin now writes music scores for doccies and movies - or at least he was, last I heard. And before Mangles there was the Troubadour - I'm remembering now - Virgils folks Beryl, Aubrey and Mel Miller and lots of others.... And Mandeville ...anyway. Pity it wasn all captured on film The Troubador was in Hillbrow. That was Dave Marks's club. I don't know about film. but I'm pretty sure there are some recordings from that club in those days. Dave Marks has massive archives. He came to TJs last year some time and did a sort of multi-media presentation that spanned roughly from the late 60s at the Troubador through to Roger Lucey. He had some marvellous footage of Roger Lucey with one of his bands - I think it was from when he went "underground" to try and shake off the security police and started performing under then name "Tighthead Fourie and the Loose Forwards." Another name to conjure with - Johnny Blundell was playing guitar. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
lindsmuse
Jr. Member
Thanked: 2
Offline
Location: Melkbosstrand, Cape Town
Posts: 202 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2009, 08:26:22 pm » |
|
Tighthead Fourie and Loose Forwards!!!! Where did he get these names .. the last band I saw him with (his band) was ' Dusty Roads'! Virgil was incredible!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup.
Ludwig van Beethoven
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2009, 10:19:38 pm » |
|
Tighthead Fourie and Loose Forwards!!!! Where did he get these names ..
They all had stage names like "Ray Stadig" and "Gene Parkering". |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
lindsmuse
Jr. Member
Thanked: 2
Offline
Location: Melkbosstrand, Cape Town
Posts: 202 Referrals: 0
|
|
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 08:15:47 am » |
|
Haha - they must've just about died laughing thinking up these names!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup.
Ludwig van Beethoven
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 08:28:16 am » |
|
IIRC the bass player was one Sakkie de Kok
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
Squonk
Hero Member
Thanked: 9
Offline
Location: Weltevreden Park Roodepoort
Posts: 1,677 Referrals: 0
Keeping it Friendly for years.....
|
|
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 08:47:58 am » |
|
What ever happened to Virgil Ellis the first time I ever heard surfing with the Aliens by Satriani it was Virgil playing it in some bar down Rocky Street. He could wield an axe with amazing skill.
Virgil stayed next door to me in Yeoville in about 1988 (i think) was a small block of flats in Pope Street, used to hear guitar all the time. He used to have parties on the roof and invite all the residents so they wouldn't complain about the noise. Talking about clubs, I used to frequent a folky club in Hillbrow called "lachaim" not too sure of the spelling, cant even remember the street. On Sundays they generally used to have an open mic followed by a main act. I saw Colin Shamley and he was quite approachable when I asked some questions after his session. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Takamine FP325SRCA , Peavey T-60, Yamaha G230
|
|
|
X-rated Bob
Hero Member
Thanked: 35
Offline
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 3,262 Referrals: 0
Morgan OMR, Smoothtalker SSC2, Larrivee LV-05
|
|
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 09:02:39 am » |
|
OK... here's a picture of Tighthead Fourie and the Loose Forwards  Left to right Tennessee Ferreira Lourenco Marques (Nee Sakkie de Kock) Slim Gedagte Tighthead Fourie Ray Stadig Drummer Gene Parkering is obscured |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Be glad, for the song has no ending.
|
|
|
|
NEW! Members only special offers! 
